patching...
Welcome back, Patch Blogger!

Gay Chick-fil-A Employees Speak Out

'I call it hater appreciation day,' one said. The same-sex marriage controversy also affects those who work at the flashpoint company.

 

There are those who support Chick-fil-A's position on marriage. There are those who support just the opposite -- same-sex marriage.

And then there are the ones in the most difficult position of all in the controversy -- gay employees of Chick-fil-A.

-- How do you feel about the gay workers at Chick-fil-A? Tell us in the comments below.

"I call it hater appreciation day," said Andrew, 24, a gay man who has been working at a Chick-fil-A in northern Alabama since January. "It's very, very depressing."

Andrew was quoted in a Huffington Post article during Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day on Wednesday, Aug. 1. The nationwide event was coordinated by Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and presidential candidate.

The Huffington Post also quotes a gay employee at Chick-fil-A headquarters in Atlanta.

The gay employee, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of losing his job, said he is getting it from both sides. On the one hand, there is the customer who came in and said he supported Dan Cathy and then "continues to say something truly homophobic, e.g. 'I'm so glad you don't support the queers, I can eat in peace,'" the employee, who is 23 and has worked for Chick-fil-A since he was 16, wrote in an email to the Post.

On the other hand, he continued, "I was yelled at for being a god-loving, conservative, homophobic Christian while walking some food out to a guest in a mall dining room."

Gabriel Aguiniga, a gay employee at a Chick-fil-A in Colorado, also said the hardest part hasn't been hearing Cathy's comments. Instead, "(it's) constantly having people come up to you and say, 'I support your company, because your company hates the gays,'" Aguiniga, 18, wrote in an email to the Post. "It really takes a toll on me."

According to wikipedia.org, a watchdog group Equality Matters published a report with details of donations given by Chick-fil-A to organizations that are opposed to same-sex marriage, such as the Marriage & Family Foundation and the Family Research Council.

The Post also quotes a gay Chick-fil-A employee in Louisiana: "At the end of the day part of our profits still go towards Dan Cathy, and subsequently, all the organizations he supports," she said.

Compiled by Steve Burns.

See also:


Related Topics: Chick-Fil-A, Same Sex Marriage, Suwanee, and gay employees of chick-fil-a

Patch_comments_icon

Steve Burns

3:56 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012

What's the saying, "Do unto others ..."

Reply
Comment_arrow

Laura Cofman

9:19 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

I completely agree with the golden rule.
If Chick Fil A supports "traditional family values", does this mean that Mr. Cathy discriminates when he hires? He is setting himself up for many lawsuits. If a qualified candidate is not hired because of suspicion of homosexuality, there will potentially be a lawsuit.
Someone's beliefs should not be imposed onto someone else. Society should not try to convert others into their way of life. That is what makes life interesting. If we were ALL the same, life would be boring.

Comment_arrow

Lisa Chambers

12:01 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

This is an example of "doing unto others..." Christians believe that if they are doing something that violates God's Word, someone should point it out to them so they can correct their behavior. It's called accountability. But, that's not why this started. Dan Cathy, a Christian who owns a restaurant chain that is closed on Sundays, was asked about his views on marriage by a Christian magazine. Then, some people interpreted his comments about supporting biblical marriage as being "anti-gay" but he knows that God created everyone -- even gay people -- so he is not "anti-gay." But kissing a person of the same sex at Chick-fil-A (or anywhere else) is a CHOICE. Even though the Cathy family does not agree with that CHOICE, they do not discriminate against gays. Otherwise, there would not be any working at Chick-fil-A.

Magda LeBel

4:05 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012

This is about free speech. No branch of government should be able to tell people where to donate their profits or what to believe. I do not believe Chick fi A would encourage hate towards homosexuals. People do resent homosexuals because of the way they try to force their lifestyle on everyone and that is their fault. I don't enjoy seeing same sex couples showing affection in public because it is totally unnatural. God designed the male body for a woman and vice versa. If you choose to act in a way that is unnatural, you should be respectful of others and do so in private. Chick fil A openly supports traditional family values, as does most of society. Homosexuals are vocal about their beliefs, but they seem to think that those of us who are in opposition should be silenced. America sent them a clear message yesterday. I don't introduce myself based on my sexual preference and would ask that homosexuals stop disclosing their sexual preferences.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Wynd

4:09 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Not all gay people are the same in their actions. However when any group of people gets backed into a corner long enough, they will attack to get out. Kind of like the corner you feel backed into to say what you say. You have no idea how hard it is to be different, No one signs up to be hated. Life is already hard enough without bigotry.

Comment_arrow

Ron Cansler Sr.

12:20 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

I strongly agree.....A Christian/Baptist pastor

Comment_arrow

ugadawgs89

4:37 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

This is NOT about free speech. No one has said that Mr. Cathy can't say whatever he pleases. I don't believe there has been any branch of government that has told Mr. Cathy where he is to donate his money. The ones that have spoke out are individual politicians. As the CEO of a company though, he must understand that there are consequences from his actions. It's a proven fact that CFA donates millions of dollars to groups that are extremely anti-gay and fight against equal rights for gays. The same rights that you enjoy. I'm always amused at how people say that we "force our lifestyle on everyone". Explain that one for me. Is a gay person trying to force you to become gay? I'm pretty much a normal everyday guy....I have a nice home, a partner of 7 years, I work, I pay taxes. I don't think you have to be silent at all. What I do think is that I should get every right that you get. And hate to break it to ya Magda, but I've never introduced myself based on my sexual orientation. Have you really ever heard any gay person introduce themselves as being gay? That's laughable. And sorry, but we're not going away.

Comment_arrow

braduf

3:31 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Magda LeBel
Why is two people of the same sex kissing unnatural? How do you know that God did not create homosexuals for the purpose of teaching tolerance to others or to show heterosexuals what love truly is since more heterosexual marriages end in divorce today than succeed. Possibly God created homosexuals to cut down on abortions so that the earth would not be overpopulated by those who destroy their offspring rather than nurture it. Who knows, I nor you are God. All of what Mr Cathy has done is in my humble opinion is to create speech although his right that is hateful to some people and serves no useful purpose. We live in a divided society on many fronts because religion has separated us. I have a grandson and simply because my daughter married a man with the last name of Gay, my grandson is bullied. He is tough, (and I have no idea his sexual preference as he is only 12) but so many are not and many youth who are questioning their sexuality end up killing themselves because of comments which Mr Cathy makes. Although many of us have spent many years in the church, who are we to say what someone else's rights who do not practice our religion are somehow wrong? Especially when they pick and choose which parts of the bible are important and which are not.

Comment_arrow

braduf

3:32 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Completing my last comment because of space constraints.......

Usually the parts which serve them best or make them feel superior to others. So while you think it is unnatural for two people of the same sex to kiss and show love to one another, I feel it is more unnatural for heterosexuals to kill their offspring. Difference is I do not tell them how to live their lives nor do I tell the homosexuals. I chose instead to be proud of my American heritage, educate myself, support myself and travel the world embracing the diversity of all of God's creations and not to judge them. He (or she) asked that I leave that to him and died for me so I may.

Comment_arrow

John Sergent

3:34 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Fair is fair, then: if you want gay people to stop any indication of their orientations in public, hold straight people to the same standard. Keeping in mind, of course, just how far some people are willing to go in declaring even the slightest thing, like holding someone's hand, referring to them as a partner, boyfriend, or whatever rather than denying any relation at all or deceptively just calling them a friend, etc to be "forcing their lifestyle on everyone," you'd have to avoid all that too.

John Hogan

4:36 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012

Yes, God designed the male body and the female body differently for the purpose of procreation. I also believe God created gays (that it is not a lifestyle choice) and for them, being attracted to, and perhaps in love with a person of the same sex is just as natural for them as being attracted to the opposite sex is for heterosexuals. Gays don't want to silence you. They want you to accept them for who they are, and would like you to respect their rights. They're not trying to convert you.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ralph Williams

2:58 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

John
Staging open, public shows of affection - gay or straight is a lifestlye choice or behavior and is offensive to some. Should humans be allowed to marry goats or sheep -- once again, are of God's creation. I don't agree with same-sex marriage as having equal legal status as marriage as sanctioned by law in the state in which I choose to live. If same sex partners prefer to live together, love together, build a life together, they should be allow to do so and as far as I undertand it that is lawful.
Rights are defined by the rule of law, custom, public policy, religious beliefs and common sense.

Comment_arrow

Bishop.Harry

11:47 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

John, as a minister for 28 years I will love the sinner, but never the sin. I can not approve of or condone the gay lifestyle and anyone who lives this lifestyle is bound for eternal fire due to the lifestyle they live.

Comment_arrow

W Sexton

2:48 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

I dont share your beliefs, and will never "accept" gays, however I also am not a homophobe. I hate hearing about people mistreating gays. To me one sin is just as bad or even worse than the other. I do get mad at the gay rights groups and will fight them as long as they have a my rights supercede your rights attitude, but at the same time do not want to deny others equal rights. I dont have to accept gays to still love them and wish them to make it to heaven, and any christian with any other attitude about caring about them and them making it to heaven is dead wrong. There are many things that according to my beliefs are sin, and they are all wrong, should I hate each person that does them? No, I judge sin and hate sin, not the sinner. And since I am not perfect that includes myself. I hate my own sins, and try not to sin. That is how I feel towards gays personally. I conider them sinners who are loved by God just the same as myself and any other sinner. Gay rights groups are another story because they dont consider me to be worthy of having any rights at all so I am dead set against everything about them while they are that way. I have a good lesbian friend and one of my best friends is bi, and I would die for either of them in a heartbeat. Both know I dont believe it is right before God and accept me the way I am as I accept them.

Comment_arrow

John Hogan

9:00 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

Do you mean quit being gay? No - they can't, as it is not a choice. Do you mean quit working at Chick-fil-A? Why should they have to!

Comment_arrow

Mark Smith

3:02 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Yes I agree with Bob Mcdonalds is hiring.

Comment_arrow

Robert M

9:00 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Ralph, you’re an idiot!!! I have never heard of a goat or a sheep having the capability to say "I DO". My government should recognize my relationship just like it recognizes yours. I pay taxes just like you and I want the same respect as you have in your relationship and I’m tired of hearing how you heterosexuals have to protect the sanctity of marriage, you haven’t done a great job so far yourself in protecting it.
Robert

Comment_arrow

Patricia Johnson

10:19 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Bravo Robert M -- Well put. You should have the same rights, and I hope broadstream America is rapidly moving in that direction. I am deeply saddened and embarrassed that Chick Fil-A had a record turnout on Wednesday, here in Georgia. Please know that there are many many more Georgians who chose NOT to attend.

Comment_arrow

Steven

7:49 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

I am a young 16 gay/bi who works at chick-fil-a. I didn't hear anyone at our restaurant use queer or fag or say they hated gays. There were some them said they supported Dan and his stand on marriage. But I am sad that this has all started. I did have a few different lesbians yell at me in the parking lot.

Magda LeBel

11:07 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012

God gave Adam Eve, not Steve. He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because it was full of homosexuality and other sins. While God did create men and women, He did NOT make them gay. He would be a hypocrite if He did, since He calls homosexuality sin. He tells us to flee from sexual immorality, so He would not make a person gay. It is a temptation/sin that we have to resist. The Bible says that God does not tempt us. God made man and gave him a woman, a companion, mate, partner, etc. To believe anything else is absurd. So many people make statements about God yet they have never read the Bible. Yes, gays do want to silence the opposition. I don't agree with companies who give money to fund abortion, homosexuality, or anything that is anti-Christianity, but I do not have a right to tell them they can not open up a business or donate their profits where they want. There is such a double standard when it comes to Christians. People slam them and the Bible, but when we take a stand every gay, pro-abortionist, etc. has to make some sort of comment. As I said, yes you do want to silence us conservatives and we are going to push back. You want tolerance but you don't give it to us. This is America and you foolish people who want to try and take away our freedoms may some day lose your as well. If we start telling people what they and can't do, you may wake up one day and find that you live in a Communist country.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Brandon Brown

8:18 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

You are a clear example of the close-minded bigots in the world. Being gay was never and will never be a choice. Its is as hated now as it was for African-Americans previously. I am an African-American and just as before, we wanted our rights, we fought for our rights and we voiced our opinions to the world. Seems exactly what most homosexuals are trying to do, but I guess African-Americans were "trying to force their lifestyle on everyone and that is their fault." I am not going to turn this into a racial debate, but many statements in your argument are truly flawed. God created humans how they are including homosexuality. There are over 150 species recorded in the world that engage in homosexual activities, but I guess the devil just tempted them too (sarcasm). I am so happy as a Christian that you are speaking on God's behalf. Lets think of it in your close-minded way, Homosexuality is a sin, so is lying, cheating, stealing, etc. Now, unless you have never sinned, which we all know is impossible, then you do not have the right to accuse a group of people based on their sexual orientation. Believe it or not there are gay Christians in the world, I know you probably wouldn't be able to comprehend how that is possible. You chose to be straight the day every homosexual chose to be gay, which was never. So many Christians use the bible to bash the rights of others and while doing so are completely oblivious to the sins they are committing themselves.

Comment_arrow

Karma Returns Twofold

1:04 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Magda. I get that you feel passionate about this subject and probably wrote without proofreading so I am going to give you a little wiggle room here. However, your message said we don't give you tolerence? That we take away your freedoms? Sit back and really think about that--you don't have to admit to anyone but yourself. Isn't it really the Gays who are not given tolerence and freedom? Would you want someone telling you who to love, how to love or where you can love at? Would you want someone telling you that your love does not matter? I think not. And for the record...I am not gay. Just a shocked middle aged white woman surprised to see all this hate. I keep thinking...it will eventually be our turn to be hated/judged. Do unto others Magda.....

Comment_arrow

David

5:38 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

So Brandon, I guess if homosexuals were created as homosexuals, then using your logic, I assume that Jerry Sandusky and Bishop Eddie Long really did no wrong by having or attempting to have sexual relations with boys. God created him to have a sexual interest in children. The periodic idiot who appears TV having been arrested for attempting to have sexual relations with the neighbors dog did no wrong. God created him to desire to have sexual relations with animals. The periodic case of incest is not wrong, because God created that person to desire to have sexual relations with their immediate relative. I guess that Kody and his Sister Wives are not doing anything wrong by choosing to live a polygamist lifestyle, because God created them to desire to live a polygamist lifestyle. I could go much further, such as the alcoholic, the drug addict, the prostitute, the mass murderer, everyone does no wrong and God no longer expects people to live by the basic moral standards as revealed in Scripture. Do you liberal Christians really stop, think and consider how absurd the logic of your arguments sound? And calling something sin as sin is not necessarily bashing something or someone. If that is the case, then Jesus Christ was the biggest sinner of all, when he told people to stop sinning.

Comment_arrow

Daniel Ming

5:44 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Magda, you are misled. The old testament also said it was an abomination to eat shrimp, get tattoos, oh and it was also acceptable to have slaves. Christians destroyed so many cultures. Let's see. We destroyed the american indians. But hey, we gave them a reservation to live on right. Oh, and how about how white preachers in the 60s used to preach in the church on Sunday that integration was wrong. If you want to protect marriage then make it illegal to get a divorce.

Comment_arrow

Robert M

9:30 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Magda Lebel, when you have concrete evidence that your God exist, we can have an intelligent discussion. For the meantime, please open your mind to Science, so you have a better understanding on how we and our universe were created. The Bible was written by human beings in a time when they did not understand Biology, Geology and Astrology. OPEN YOUR MIND!!

Comment_arrow

Bishop.Harry

11:54 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

As a Minister and head of a Nationwide Ministry, I will never nor will our Ministers perform a gay marriage nor will we be forced to change this policy. The Bible is clear and I live and work by the Word of God. Magda I agree with you.

Comment_arrow

braduf

3:58 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Magda,

You are misinterpreting the bible.

God created all of us. Are we to assume because Jesus was single that he was gay or that because his conception with Mary was without sex (immaculate) that intercourse is wrong?

Are heterosexual people who choose to be "companionless" because they enjoy it somehow wrong? It seems to go against your interpretation of the bible.

God created the male and female body for procreation. Maybe everyone doesn't want to procreate. Maybe that was the plan. There is obviously to much of it going on because some countries limit it and others make it legal to destroy its result. (way more unnatural than kissing in front of a Chic-fil-a)

I sometimes am ashamed to be a Christian. Mr Cathy made me feel that way this past week. My God would have never excluded people and made them feel unworthy of existence or made them feel any less than what he purposefully created.

Magda I believe you would agree with me that there are to may homosexuals running around for God to have made that many mistakes.

I wish some Christians could separate themselves from thinking they are God. It ruins my religion and makes people hate us when God truly was all loving and all accepting.

Brandon Brown

8:24 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

P.S Didn't Eve eat the apple and doom humanity with the original sins? Hmm... I wonder how Steve would have responded to the devils temptation.

Reply

Rick Smith

8:54 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

I think the gay employees at Chick-fil-A have the same choice as employees at any other company. If they do not like the environment they are working in, or the policies or rules their employer has, they can choose to find employment elsewhere. I have chosen not to continue my employment relationship at two different companies over the course of my adult life. One of them was a very good-paying position at a stable company and it was in the middle of the last recession we experienced.
Don't whine about your employment! Either give your employer what is expected of you and comply with their policies and requests, or choose not to and then go complain.

Reply
Comment_arrow

John Hogan

9:11 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

Rick, you are missing the point. From everything I know, Chick-fil-A is a wonderful place to work, and they treat their employees great - including providing lots of college scholarships. A gay person has every right to work there and not be the subject of humiliation or discrimination just as an African-American or a Jew (Insert your own race or religion here) has the right to work there free from discrimination.
I happen to be Irish, and in my home I have a sign which was a prop in the movie "Driving Miss Daisy" which was set in, and filmed in Atlanta. The sign was hanging on the wall of the factory her son (played by Dan Ackroyd) owned. It was an actual sign of those times" "NO IRISH NEED APPLY".

Comment_arrow

Brandon Brown

9:19 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

What you are saying makes a point, and is indeed a valid statement, yet we don't know what situation these employees are in. There case could be that they don't really need this job to survive and are just earning extra money, or they are living paycheck after paycheck on a that small salary. So in the case of them having any financial trouble, also having your job not accept who you are makes it a little harder. By no means am I saying that they do not have the option to quit/resign, but there are many possible reasons of why they might still need the job. If I had to work to live like most people do, but my job wasn't o.k with a certain group of people that was relevant to me, I honestly don't know what I would do. Quitting might just be as hard as enduring and pushing forward. You have to see things from other's perspective, you shared your example but other people may have it harder or better than you. Either way these comments seem quite trivial noticing it won't really change the company, or the worker's decision.

Comment_arrow

John Sergent

3:47 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

There is no such thing as a perfect place to work. How is it reasonable, then, to demand that people either not complain about the parts they don't like, or that they quit over one thing the company does, without taking into consideration the whole picture? Most people who work in fast food (at least, at the level we're talking about here) do so because they cannot, at least for now, get anything "better," or because they need to work the odd hours. And by all accounts, as fast food goes, Chick-fil-a is overall far better to work for than most. The "closed Sundays" thing alone is a particularly big deal; even if you're not Christian (or are but don't go to church), in that line of work a set day off, much less one on a weekend, is otherwise virtually unheard of.

Looking for a job elsewhere may well be a good idea. Quitting without already having one lined up isn't. Sure, McDonald's, etc are "hiring," but that doesn't really mean much; only that they have an opening once in a while and like to keep a big stack of applications at hand.

Patricia Johnson

9:11 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

Easy now, Brandon, on the Postscript (I'm an "Eve") but totally on the side of your position! Magda, I know you must feel we human rights activists are about to be smighted down but I'll take that chance. Since you're so up on the Bible, I thought it also said in there somewhere "Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged". Are you picking scripture selectively from the Bible to further your prejudices? Please, I beg you, get further than the 1st Testament in your studies (maybe take a speed reading course, if necessary) and move on to the 2nd Testament. You'll find some wonderful scripture there about loving your fellow man, and further emphasis on not judging. All sarcasm aside, Magda, the gay community should have the same rights afforded to the heterosexual community. This is a human rights issue, plain and simple. Allowing them the same rights we enjoy will not infringe on us in any way. And yes, I consider myself a Christian who fully embraces the message of the 2nd Testatment.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Brandon Brown

10:42 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

Thank you, and sorry for the misconception. In no way was I trying to undermine females in any way. I was just defending a point.

John Hogan

9:18 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

Magda, I hesitate to challenge someone on a matter of faith. Indeed, what makes the U.S. so great is our religious freedom. (BTW, not available in communist countries.) (Also, freedom of religion is a "liberal" concept - not a "conservative" one.) I agree that God made Adam and Eve - and it was necessary to have a man and woman to procreate and populate the human race. But it has come to be accepted by most people that God also created "Steve" - ie he was born gay, and did not choose it as a lifestyle choice. The Bible (Genesis) mentions three sons of Adam and Eve (Seth being the third) but it doesn't mention the names of any daughters. It would seem to me that Cain and Seth must have had sisters withwhom they had children - but isn't incest against the law of God and man?

Reply
Comment_arrow

John Sergent

3:50 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Thank you.

That people present the need for ongoing procreation as a reason to oppose gay marriage (really, far more than that) in a world that's vastly overpopulated is amazing. Especially when they provide no plausible mechanism by which the issuance of civil marriage licenses would lower the birth rate.

Rick Smith

9:30 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

Brandon, in my case, I ended up losing my home to foreclosure as a result of my decision. We all still have a choice. You make your decision, accept the consequences, and then stop complaining about the choice you made. When I lost my home, I didn't ask for anybody to "save" me from the consequences of my actions.
It was not an easy decision, but nobody promised me life would be easy. As far as I know, the employer in this case is not discriminating against anyone. He can't be held responsible for comments made by patrons, or by media pundits.
If a person is really that troubled by the environment they are in, they need to make a choice and live with it.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Brandon Brown

10:58 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

You are correct, no one ever said life was easy, in fact everyone knows life is a difficult struggle. Despite whether things seem fine or not, a company should in no way leave a message that imposes they will not accept a group of people. Quitting in the mind of some people is never an option, where for others it is necessary. Assume some one is looking for a job, they notice a "Now hiring" sign, it has been months since their last job so they really need this one. After they learn more about the job they realize the viewpoints of the company and themselves conflict. Now this makes their decision to take the job even harder. Having any negative message discourages others of diverse backgrounds to apply for jobs they really need. Now I surely did not want to stray into the hypothetical situations, but people that are not the "average" American have it hard enough as it is, and everyone should feel openly accepted in the job they want to apply for, especially if they are qualified. Everyone has their hard times and things like this make it harder, but I guess I will save the pity party for later.

Comment_arrow

Brandon Brown

12:09 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Saying that homosexuality is destroying traditional family values is simply outrageous. There are numerous "traditional" values that have been put down because they have been against equal rights. Being an African-American I can't see how my commented would have been offensive. If people can't see how the rights of African-Americans were relative to the conversation then they are not mature enough to enter the conversation. Not so long ago a black male could not marry a white woman, that has changed. Besides the point I think you might still have some personal growth to go through. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I surely respect yours. Yet people do not choose to be homosexual. Because if for a second you believed that homosexuality was not a choice, your whole argument would be severely flawed. Animals in nature run on instinct, some engage heterosexual activities others homosexual. The evidence is undisputed, yet people are tunnel visions can never and will never see the full picture. I am a homosexual African-American Christian and I'm proud of who I am. Obviously your viewpoint will not change and neither will mine. I believe a homosexual has the same chance to go to heaven as a heterosexual does, and I also believe EVERYONE should be treated equally. Saying homosexuals are trying to destroy family values is like saying me eating a doughnut is destroying a diet's values. In no way am I or any other homosexual are trying to hypothetically force feed our values.

Rick Smith

9:37 am on Friday, August 3, 2012

I don't think the point of this article is bible scripture, one way or the other. The religion discussions can become endless, and never really solve anything. I have my own religious beliefs, but they really don't add anything to this discussion.

Reply

Rick Smith

12:24 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Actually Magda, I am a Christian, and consider my political viewpoint to be Libertarian/Conservative for the most part. I actually support Chick-fil-A because I believe in freedom of speech, and property rights, meaning the owner can spend his money however he chooses, as can you or Brandon. But the point of the article was how do the employees feel. Which brings me back to my original points addressed above. I don't think the company is discriminating, as they have clearly hired gays.
But to Brandon's point, how he chooses to behave sexually in no way harms my relationships, which happen to be heterosexual and married.
The individual family determines its own values, and parents instill those values in their children. Some children carry on the views of the parents, some don't. But as long as they aren't interfering with any of my rights, it really isn't my business. It is high time to stop looking at everyone as a member of some group, or race, or whatever and look at each other as individual humans to be treated the same, until or unless we try to take away another person's constitutional rights.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Magda LeBel

12:37 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

I agree with you. I am fully in favor of protecting our Constitutional rights and that is why I want ChickfilA's protected. I have read more on this and do not think the politicians in Boston should be allowed to keep the company from doing business there. This is a very dangerous move and cannot be taken lightly. What's next? Companies should not be banned from communities because of what they believe as long as they are not hurting anyone. It seems like the only group getting discriminated against are the conservative Christians these days and if we don't come together and protect our rights we will lose them. Do you know that they are trying to regulate what a pastor can teach from the pulpit? What happened to separation of church and state? It exists when they want to take prayer out of schools as well as all mention of God, but not to protect the church. I homeschool my children so that I can raise them with my values and prepare them for what they will face as adults. I agree that is our responsibility as parents. I also agree that what homosexuals do does not harm me either, I just don't like that they are trying to impose their beliefs on all of society. I sent a reply to Bandon with more detail on the subject.

JR

12:40 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Wait a minute! I thought Chick-fil-A didn't have gay employees. Isn't that what this is all about. That Chick-fil-A discriminates against gays. Well, there goes that theory.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Brandon Brown

12:51 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Who ever said that? Think you clicked on the wrong post.

Ed

12:48 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Magda,
The point you are missing is our government and our laws are not made or influenced by the bible. We are a secular nation, head of "separation of church and state?" If not, you need to do some reading. Chickfila is a BUSINESS, not a church and it's employees are due EQUAL treatment under the law. Religion has no place in a business unless it is a CHURCH. Get it? Somehow I doubt it. No one is forcing anything on you. You are forcing people to act the way you want them to. Please realize a large part of the USA does not believe in your god or your ancient book of fables. If you choose to believe that for yourself , fine but don't "try and force your lifestyle" on others. See? It does work both ways.

Reply
Comment_arrow

W. Smith

3:07 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

I hate to disagree with you, but I believe you are way off base here. The Constitution says that the Federal government will make no law establishing a church. In fact, Massachusetts had a state church at the time of the Revolution. That amendment applies only to the government imposing its will on the people, not private business. If a private business wants everyone walking through the door to carry a bible, that is their business. If you don't like it you have the FREEDOM to go somewhere else. I believe many of the employment laws are discriminatory by making business' hire people they find incompatible with their beliefs.

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

We are a diverse nation, you don't have to get along with everybody, nor do you have the right NOT to be offended. Be nice, be respectful of differences (even if you disapprove of their choices/lifestyle) and let people pursue their own happiness (don't make me provide it because I own a business). Respectfully yours

Comment_arrow

Stephen Pray

9:15 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Ed,
For the record many of our laws and government actions are based upon the Bible and Judeo/Christian values. You can merely look at a dollar bill or a quarter and figure that out.

Patch_comments_icon

Steve Burns

12:58 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Folks, Patch encourages comments on this and all articles. But issues like this can get emotional. So please remember to respect the other commenters and their beliefs. Also, please view our Terms Of Use. Inappropriate comments will be deleted. http://suwanee.patch.com/terms

Reply

Mark Smith

3:04 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

Really who cares, if you want to kiss some dude in the parking lot, whatever. Just do it and move on. You aint gonna get an apology from the Cathy family so give it up. If chic fila were smart they would give the gays free sweet tea!

Reply

Mikel

4:44 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

It has never been proven there is a gay gene and that one is destined to that lifestyle no matter what. There is evidence of environmental factors in society such as the way we have received love or no love. That is something one growing up may not initially control rather than genetics. Of course the militant homosexuals
will never accept this and will belittle and antagonize anyone who attempts to change their lifestyle. For those who know there is something missing in their life and have a deep hunger for real love then I believe you can find it through a relationship with Jesus Christ. He alone can restore you. The following video may be helpful. It will be different than from a lot of what you may have heard before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsI4hhm_J2A

Reply

Joe B Black

5:15 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

God, never said he hates homosexuals, he created MAN, period. He did it in the image of himself, but he gave man a free will to chose. The only thing that man doesn't get to chose is whether they are male or female. The rest is choice, whether you agree or not or like it or not. (more)

Reply

Joe B Black

5:16 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

There will come a day when we all will know the truth. God loves the Homosexual, but hates what they do. That's very clear in the Bible, but no where does it talk about any vengeance or actions to be taken by any other of God's creatures against them. We are only responsible to God for our selves, not others. I don't think God punishes people, but allows us to make choices that have consequences. All choices have consequences good and bad. Society and laws have a lot to do with what kind of behavior is acceptable in public. Our spiritual being has everything to do with what we chose to do in Private. I believe from the article it's clear Chic-Fil-A is not homophobic, because they have hired openly Gay employees. Any company has the right to terminate any employee for bad work habits, insubordination and behavior that reflects badly on their company. There is no reason a Gay person cannot work within that realm. They hire people of all races, creeds and national origins. In most peoples mind and spiritual being homosexual is an aberration and makes them uncomfortable. There are plenty of inconsiderate people on both sides of the fence, and plenty of ignorant comments made.

Reply

Joe B Black

5:17 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

The GAY community, as tolerant as they think they are and as tolerant as they want others to be toward them, are acting in th every same manner as those they dislike. They are doing nothing but making themselves look small and petty. If they abuse the Godly out there, there will be Hell to pay one fine day, not by the Godly themselves, but by the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, himself. Maybe I'm totally wrong, I'm willing to take that chance, but if they are wrong it will be an eternal mistake. For me, it will be a choice to live a Godly life, even if there isn't one . . . but I know there is. I know Him that well. God loves the Gays, as he does all of his creatures and creation, but he also created Hell and for a reason.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ray

5:36 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

"...acting in th every same manner as those they dislike..."
I guess over fifty years of persecution will do that to a person ... And let's face it, the scorched earth policy was invented by non-gay Newt Gingerich

raj barber

6:20 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

We are the choices we make. Eventually we will have to answer for the good and bad. Being told you cant come into a place of business because of your race, creed or religion is dicrimination. Not your sexual nature or preference. Chick-Fil-A's Mr. Cathy expressed his opinion as others have been doing since the beginning. Don't have to agree or like them because its a simple right. Whether you believe in God or not really doesn't matter because humans(humankind) are destroying each other and the Earth. We are a promiscuous society worldwide, from food, to money, to sex..etc. This is evident and you have to look no further than the tv, net, newspaper or your neighbor. Humans and animals are not the same and never will be. There are no animals that have human pets. We have dominion over them but only by a fraction because even though some animals eat others they still coexist. We have to respect each other to survive. This means homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. None of us or future generations will make it if we can't learn that one simple fact.

Reply

R Lorenz

7:13 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

I don't think letting differences in religious interpretation degrade to petty quarrels is going to accomplish much. Many people have been descriminated against throughout history, too often in the name in Christianity, and it is not right. The point here though is not who's interpretation of the bible is most correct or who can marry who. The point is whether or not a person, or business owner, can make a statement about their own religious beliefs without being punished by the government for those beliefs. This argument might be much more productive if we first have a discussion on the definition of hate and discrimination. Making a statement that your beliefs conflict with another groups beliefs is not hate, nor is it discrimination. I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle. However, I also don't agree with the far too many people who do/say hateful things to/about homosexuals. If an idiot walked into Chick-fil-A and told a cashier he supports them because "they hate gays" I don't think they understand Chik-fil-A at all. Unfortunately, those idiots are everywhere. If you disagree with the personal beliefs of a businness owner you have every right not to support them, the same way they the right not to support you. Withholding support or supporting an opposing view is not discrimination or hate. If the groups Chik-fil-A supports do show actual hate or discrimination I would hope they would withdraw their support. An opposing view itself is not hate.

Reply
Patch_comments_icon

Steve Burns

9:11 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Again, everyone, I have to remind everyone to keep comments respectable and to respect other commenters. Please view our Terms Of Use. Inappropriate comments will be deleted. http://suwanee.patch.com/terms

Reply

Kare

1:52 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

I have read a lot of these comments and I have noticed that none of them seem hateful. They problem we are facing is one where two very similar groups of people, democrats and republicans are trying to accomplish the same thing but in different ways. All of us want homosexuals to be free citizens but some republicans feel that a homosexuals freedom infringes on their own. Some of the more liberal commentators believe that freedom needs to be equal and can't fathom living in a world where that freedom is ignored. What we really need to do here is find a middle ground. We must remember that our country was made with the intent of classical liberalism which both conservative and liberal Americans agree on. Once again the goals are the same but the paths are different. The best way to find the answer is to remember that our country was born out of compromise which is the basis of a free society. If both sides can find a middle ground then we can all walk away happy. As a libertarian I don't think gays have "the right" to marry, but I also don't think straight people should either. Marriage is not something to be handed out by the government. An easy fix to the problem I face is to replace marriage with civil unions which al couples would get and some could chose to be married by whatever church they support. If we compromise freedom is possible.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Kare

6:32 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

There was nothing hateful when I made this comment, at least...

bob

1:54 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Somebody name one right a homosexual doesn't have that I do have.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ray

3:39 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

uhm ... the answer would be --- a proper civil union with the benefits and protections under the law that “all you regular married peoples have” ...

you wont find that on “the patch” but t’s a simple google search away --- keep on thinking there, 'bob'...

bob

4:04 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

They have the right to marry just like I do. Try again.

Reply
Comment_arrow

ugadawgs89

5:05 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

I will marry a woman the day that you "choose" to enter into a relationship with another man.

Ray

4:17 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

that's wrong 'bob'...
no, “bob” ...
those marriages are only allowed in the progressive states like:
Massachusetts
Connecticut
Iowa
Vermont
New Hampshire
New York
Washington
Maryland
District of Columbia

and even more progressive countries like:
Belgium
Spain
Canada
South Africa
Norway
Sweden
Portugal
Iceland
Argentina

Wikipedia is your friend too, ‘bob’ ...

Reply
Comment_arrow

bob

4:33 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

I think you're having problems with your comprehension skills, or lack there of. They, gays, are free to marry a member of the opposite sex, as am I. They are not free to marry a member of the same sex. Nor am I. You have epically failed.

Comment_arrow

Ray

3:21 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

now, what about my (ahem) comprehension skills are having a problem, ‘bob’?
it seems to me you have defined the current problem that persists in all but eight states ... wow, it’s almost like you’re on the side of the gay movement now...! thats great ... ‘bob’ is now on the right side of history

bob

5:28 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Sorry Kurt, your vile, disgusting, disease ridden lifestyle does not appeal to me.

Reply
Comment_arrow

ugadawgs89

5:37 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

The great thing is that it doesn't matter to me what appeals to you. I don't need your approval for anything.

bob

5:41 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Apparantly the gay community needs just that, approval. Otherwise they'd shut up and go about their lives without having to put their deviancy in everyones face.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ray

12:23 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

You know, 'bob' ...
It is said "ignorance is blessed" and you surely have a reaping of blessing ...
Now go on with yourself, the Wrong Side of History is calling you ...
"cheers"

ugadawgs89

5:47 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

Wrong there too. I'll say it again, I don't need your approval for anything. What I do ask for is the same rights that you are afforded. Sorry, but we're not going away.

Reply
Comment_arrow

bob

5:51 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

But you are afforded the exact same rights that alll Americans enjoy. I don't care if you go away or not, just leave us alone. More than likely your lifestyle will catch up with you eventually.

ugadawgs89

9:41 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012

No I am not. Not sure where you get your "facts" from. I've never met you nor do I intend to so you don't have to concern yourself with me leaving you alone. What exactly do you mean by my lifestyle? You know nothing about me.

Reply
Comment_arrow

bob

1:23 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Again, tell me what right I have that you don't.

Comment_arrow

Ray

3:17 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

wow ... ‘bob’ ... ya got a mind like a steel bear trap, ya sure do... (LoL)

Bill Willaims

2:35 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Look at the law, is defacing private property a crime. No argument. No opinion. If it's a crime, it's a crime. Just because haters (gay activists) do things in protest, does not make it "not a crime". Get real. A protest is picketing with your own sign in your hand, not defacing other's private property.

Reply

Jack Kobaba

3:43 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

I'mnot opposed to finding love wherever you can or how their genetics dictate attractions. Marriage historically and traditionally defined is between man & woman to carry on the species. Research shows that 100% of the time you need both a male and female to produce offspring, that's not to say that same-sex partners cannot use other science to reproduce or civilly adopt....and doesn't say they're not good parents. Marriage is how that is defined for thousands of years. I'm for "life-partners" entering into vows & contracts of partnership / civil union with all the same rights (and protection against breaches of those contracts) as heterosexuals, just don't try to change the definition of the word marriage. Cathy never said he wouldn't employ or not serve those who promote same-sex marriage. Seems many promoting same-sex marriage are hypocritical when it comes to free speech. You can say anything you want as long as they agree. If not, they want government to force you to agree with them or face legal penalties. Promoting the actions of witholding or taking business license from someone who is expressing their personal values shows how intolerant they are & only leads to tyranny. It's a free market. If you don't like a businesses values, don't shop there. Freedom of religion in The Constitution was written to mean "freedom from imposed religion." With the right to be offended must come the right to offend" You can't have one without the other and call it free speech.

Reply

Bishop.Harry

5:42 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Jack, very well said. I believe that God looks down on this earth and shakes his head at many things including the liberals who think that changing the definition of marriage to include both man and woman and same sex marriages as well. I believe it is wrong to allow it to be forced on the Christian Society let alone the rest of society who live in marriages between a man and woman. God's union is between Man and Woman, not Man and Man. How else can a man have a baby with another man. God's love is true, but his love includes people but their deviant behaviors are not always acceptable in his eyes. God tells all of us to love the sin but hate the sin and homosexuality is SIN.

Reply

bob

5:50 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Sorry Ray, if you had more than a rudimentary education you would understand the constitution and the rights it provides all people. Yet you persist in name calling and your little snarky comments, which is what the left usually resorts to when outgunned.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ray

6:13 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Actually I am highly educated, “bob” ... how else would I be able to produce all these snarky comments that bother you so...?
and I suggest you and "the bishop" get comfortable with the 14th Amendment ... thats what will be used to overturn all of the hateful state laws against gay marriage and it will wash over the land like rainbow of skittles while your ilk cower in the dark corners of hate... “baa-baa” now ...

bob

6:35 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Yet you have failed to show how the constitution has not afforded the homosexuals rights that I do have. Again, your education is lacking. Wow, a rainbow of skittles.OMG, I've engaged in hate speech. Get a grip son, hopefully not on a little boy this time.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Bishop.Harry

6:55 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Ray, you show just how educated you really are with your snyde comments and your attempt to proport that Gays will win. As long as I have breath in my body and I represent a large number of Godly men who stand against the same sex marriage fight, we will win because "Traditional Marriage will over-ride gay marriage any time simply for the reason that we can produce with our wives natural children who will carry on our fight and yet gay couples can not have children naturally at least men can't give birth to babies and I don't see that happening any time in the future. God's Word is clear on this issue.

1 Cor 6:9-10

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

The bible is clear, the Wages of Sin is Death and unless you the homosexual repent and turn from your Deviant lifestyle, then the Gift from God will not be Eternal Life.

Lev: 20:13

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

I am simply telling you that our National Ministry will never condone, or support Gay Marriage. Nor will we ever perform a same sex marriage as long as I am the Senior Bishop.

Ray

6:39 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

the 14th amendment ... you heard it here first ; )

Reply

bob

6:44 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

http://www.bigbluewave.ca/2012/08/gay-protesters-bully-homeless-man-at.html

You must be so proud, Ray. I note that you didn't deny the little boy allegation. Hopefully the law will catch up with you soon. It's a well known fact of homosexuals affinity for little boys.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ray

6:57 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

as the Adam West version of Batman used to say:
“Poor deluded fool...”

Bishop.Harry

7:23 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Ray

The only fool I see here is yourself attacking people for the very freedom you claim we deny gays, the right to Free Speech. Now you resort to calling people names because we don't agree with you. We don't have to agree with you that is our right. It is also your right to not read or respond to what we say but you choose to do so because I guess it gets you all excited to defend a deviant lifestyle which is bound for hell. Why is it that the gay deviant community can say and do what they want but we shouldn't if it don't agree with your choice in life. We will never agree, so my suggestion is simply this, we can agree to disagree and let it go at that. I will march against any Gay Rights protest their is and will go public with my views to ask that Traditional Marriage supporters to stand with us and agree to never vote positive for a change on the marriage definition. I promise you that until the Lord calls me home I will stand against this cause.

Reply
Comment_arrow

bob

7:42 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012

Well said Bishop, but I fear your argument falls on deaf ears. Ray is a raging radical homosexual that refuses to allow anyone that is contrary to his perverted beliefs get through his deluded beliefs. He will answer to a higer power one day.

Comment_arrow

braduf

4:16 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Bishop.Harry

Just because a man is gay does not mean he can not impregnate women. So your argument that you with your wives will create bigoted children to take over the world is a false argument. Since God made gay men more genetically prone to look after themselves and go to the gym, your wives are more attractive to them.

I am teaching my children to love all people. Become who God made them to be gay or straight. Enjoy life and stay away from Christians who pro port to be God loving and act exactly the opposite of what God would have done. Instead be a Christian who doesn't judge and loves all.

And some of you should thank Budweiser everyday that your wife would ever have sex with you at all.

As for the argument above.....heterosexual men are far more disproportionately the aggressors in sex crimes both on children and women.

When you have no valid argument. Name calling and words like disease ridden crop up.. glad the Christians are here to carry on God's word.

Ray

1:14 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

uhm …"higer power" --- what's that? an new EMC?

Quite honestly, the way you old coots prattle on, it's amazing you have grasped the use of a computer well enough to make these posts … you live in the past, yet use computers… quite a conundrum wouldn't you say?

Reply

Bishop.Harry

3:32 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Rachel "Ray" listen here Mr. Fairy, what Bob is speaking is God being the Higher Power, and I truly have pitty on the misguided soul that you are as on Judgement day I won't have to hear the words "Be Gone from me you Son of Iniquity I never knew you, be cast into eternal fire". This is because I live a Righteous and Holy Life, and live God's Word daily. Living in sexual bondage as you do being that your lifestyle is deviant and morally wrong is sending you to eternal fire.

Lev: 20:13

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

1 Cor 6:9-10

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God

Might I suggest you find a BIBLE BELIEVING AND TEACHING CHURCH AND REPENT from your lifestyle and get right with God. Your heading down a dangerous path.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ray

3:57 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

oh PUH-Leeeeeze.... "bishop" ...
Leviticus? you make roll with laughter …
when is the last time you had shrimp or lobster?

get your head out of the past and that decrepit book of fables…

Comment_arrow

MARK IT RIGHT

1:40 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Name calling by someone that says they are a bishop. HA! How loving. God must really be proud of you! My dog is closer to being a bishop than you.
After reading all of these comments, this is what I took from it. Most of the people that said they were a Christian just in passing were loving and not judging. The ones that were screaming I AM A CHRISTIAN, I am up holding Gods belief were anything but loving and extremely judgmental. So the know it all Christians were doing anything but up holding the true Christian beliefs. HMMM
The Bible has been and always will be up to an individuals own interpretations.
That doesn't make one more right than the other. Just as Christianity is not the only religion. So it does not make it more right than any other religion. Believe or not believe whatever you want. It is not ANYONE'S right to push their beliefs on others. The sooner some of you realize this the better off we all will be.

Btw, Harry, I know your secret. Bishop is your last name. So stop pretending to be something you are not, a bishop or a Christian.

Mike B

3:39 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

I'm a hetrosexual who has gay friends. I was asked 20 years ago "Do you think we wanted to grow up to be gay or an astronaut, firefighter or professional athlete?"
I've always thought "sodomy" between two consenting hetrosexual adults was a good thing. I think it's a good thing for gays too!

Reply

Bishop.Harry

4:28 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Ray,

You know if the homosexual community stopped trying to make themselves into victims and kept their sexuality where it belongs in the privacy of their homes, and stopped trying to force America to accept their DEVIANT AND IMMORAL lifestyle arguments wouldn't take place like what has taken place. I equate Gay People to the Nazi's who wanted to control the World and US Forces who stood their ground on the issue simply because we didn't ask you to publically be gay. Sex is for the bedroom not the board room, not the factory and certainly not public areas of this country but homosexuals want everyone to embrace their lifestyle which we won't so they are mad and are trying to force America to accept and embrace it. You know what happened to the Nazi's who fought the war? They lost and were either taken prisoner or worse. I say this because I will go to my grave fighting for the traditional marriage and will take a few of the enemy with me if needed. Now respond if you want but I am done with this conversation with a deviant and immoral person. I have better things to do with my time than to have a battle of wits with a person who is obviously out of ammo. Have a Godly Day and AGAIN I SAY REPENT FROM YOUR DEVIANT AND IMMORAL CHOICE.

Reply

Bonnie Bartley

6:09 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Bishop Harry, Bob, and Magda: I applaud you! And I feel sure God does as well. What we are seeing in the world today is the Prophets of Old's "signs of the times" or should I say "end times". The Bible as you know speaks of this & now we are living it or so it appears to me. Never have I seen so much blatant perverson, sin, & evil in America & all over the world as I do today. We are witnessing that indeed "Satan is the prince of the power in the air" as he "goes about like a roaring lion" seeking, deceiving & destroying those who will listen to him. The more they listen to him the bolder they get with their deviate & sinful ways. Some want to denounce God & His Word because they are so self absorbed they don't want to change their wicked ways, but again that is their "choice". Gays are not "born"; God does not make mistakes! How can they be "born gay" and then be condemned to damnation & hell in the Bible? Satan plants the seeds of evil & it then becomes a choice. The only other "choice" is to repent & have an eternal home in Heaven with God or continue in sin and reep the consequence of sin - eternal damnation in the lake of fire in hell. By the grace of God I am a Christian & the most precious possession I have is my soul because of it's eternal destination.. The only "insurance" I have on it is Jesus. In the End if I am "wrong" I have lost absolutely nothing. But if non-believers are wrong & those who continue to sin and don't repent they have lost absolutely everything!

Reply
Comment_arrow

Magda LeBel

9:47 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Very well said. We live in a day like Sodom and Gomorrah and people want to justify their sins. Gays call themselves Christians, but want to continue in their sins. As I see on here, they twist the Word of God to justify it. How can anyone suggest that Jesus was gay. He was perfect, and totally free from all sin. He is our example. Anyone who suggests anything else is clearly deceived and not a Christian/follower of Christ. I admit I have sin in my life, as do all people, but I recognize it as such and repent, and ask God to help me. There are some great scriptures on this discussion that make it very clear how God feels. The people on here do not want to hear the truth. It's the Truth that sets you free and they are not willing to give up the sin and walk in freedom. You can't change until you recognize your need to change. At that point God will meet you and help. I too, will stand for traditional family values as long as I'm on this earth and am teaching them to all of my children. That means five more warriors for the kingdom of God.

Comment_arrow

Ray

11:55 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

"… That means five more warriors for the kingdom of God …"
Gasp --- five kids? Ever hear of overpopulation? You must be one tired babymaker!

But --- You realize, of course, that statistics show that 1.75 percent of your offspring will turn out to be gay … so much for the warriors theory …? LoL at you...

braduf

10:18 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

And it goes on. This is the reason Christianity is the cause of more death and destruction throughout time. Everyone uses God to prove they are right. It creates separation and division among people because everyone has different levels of understanding and interpretation. Thank God for the internet where people can read and understand the absurdities of something unproven.

Reply

Bishop.Harry

10:49 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012

Braduf,

The only thing unproven is that you have the IQ or Grasp of the truth above that of a red worm and we all know what happens to them, in your case Satan will use you to draw others into your way of thinking and that is sad. I fish with red worms every Saturday and they attract alot of fish for my Saturday evening dinners. I pray that with your rederick we don't see many souls lost. I will be praying for your soul sir.

Reply
Comment_arrow

braduf

11:24 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Thank you Bishop, You say more about yourself than I ever could.

Comment_arrow

Ray

11:54 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

"I fish with red worms every Saturday…"
fishing, huh? hmmmmm… what else are you doing with those wormies, hhmmmmm?


"I pray that with your rederick we don't see many souls lost…"
I pray that with your redNECK that we don't see ANY souls listening to your crazy yakking…
now go on… I hear the Wrong Side of History calling you…

Patch_comments_icon

Steve Burns

9:42 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Again, everyone, I need to remind you of Patch's Terms Of Use, especially on such an emotional article. Remember to respect commenters and their comments. Inappropriate comments will be deleted. http://suwanee.patch.com/terms

Reply
Patch_comments_icon

Steve Burns

9:45 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Regarding my previous comment, each state has its own laws about terminating pregnancies. Please remember that before commenting.

Reply

Magda LeBel

2:15 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

You need to reread the scripture. Lot offered his daughters to the homosexual men trying to break down his door to have sex with his guests, who were angels. Lot was a righteous man who had made a poor choice in residence. Abraham pleaded for Lot and S&G but there were not enough righteous to save the city so Lot had to flee before God destroyed it. I'm not sure what Bible you are reading, but you are incorrect. You need to read my previous comments. I don't recall telling anyone they are going to hell and I made it very clear that I am not here to judge anyone. I am just stating that the gay lifestyle is a sinful one.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ray

2:59 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Magda,
that's a great story about "Lot and his daughters" …
do you know the one about the "The Princess and the Pea" or "Three Little Pigs" or "The Lion and the Mouse" ?

Please continue to regal us with fairy tales on this thread…

Philip Beck

5:53 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

It has been my experience that Chick fil A serves their customers good food fast with a smile. These on-line debates appear to be generated in order to make Christians and social conservatives look weird, intolerant, sex-obsessed, or just plain mean. As for me, I don't think a boycott could work with this company and as we have seen, it generally resulted in their stores running out of food. I helped them run out of food if you were wondering.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Philip Beck

5:54 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

For a basic stance on preserving traditional marriage, try this: “As reported in Salvo magazine, “what’s in contention is whether the government should force everyone to recognize such “marriages.” Far from being a liberating thing, the forced recognition of same-sex “marriage” is a governmental intrusion of monumental proportions.”
“Same-sex couples, or any other combination of people, animals, and inanimate objects, can and do “marry” in this way. What the law in most states currently does not do, however, is force third parties—individuals, businesses, institutions, and so on—to recognize these “marriages” and treat them as if they were exactly the same as traditional marriages.
Freedom of choice is precisely what the advocates of same-sex “marriage” want to destroy; they want to use the government’s power to force everyone to recognize same-sex unions as marriages whether they want to or not.
The effects of such coercion have already been felt in some places. Adoption agencies, for example, like any other organization, ought to be able to choose whether to give children to same-sex couples, or not. But in Massachusetts, where same-sex “marriage” has been declared legal, these agencies have been forced to accept applications from same-sex couples or go out of business (of helping the innocent, unfortunate, orphans).”

Comment_arrow

Ray

6:04 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Christians and social conservatives have looked and acted weird, intolerant, sex-obsessed, or just plain mean since the days when Georgia’s own Newt Gingrich “ran” the republican party ...
The Cathy family just makes them look worse...
and if you 'helped them run out of food' --- one wonder just how much you consumed ... gasp!

John Sergent

6:01 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

To Phillip Beck: " “what’s in contention is whether the government should force everyone to recognize such “marriages.” Far from being a liberating thing, the forced recognition of same-sex “marriage” is a governmental intrusion of monumental proportions.”---If you believe this to be so, why is the campaign only against *gay* marriage? Why not against remarried Catholics? After all, their church doesn't recognize those marriages as valid, yet nobody's arguing they shouldn't be treated as such under the law of the land, common to everyone.

(Other than this disagreement, by the way: if you are who I think you are, it's good to know you're still around and I hope all's been going well for you.)

Reply
Comment_arrow

Philip Beck

6:39 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

John, I'm just going out on a limb here, but re-marriage in the Catholic church is dominated by opposite sex participants. And the government isn't forcing the Catholic church to recognize this re-marriage, it's their option. Also, I don't see this as a campaign against gay marriage. It is an effort to maintain the definition, interpretation and purpose of the Biblical traditional marriage. Your name sounds familiar but I can't place you.

Philip Beck

6:29 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Ray, I get it, you are a democrat that has what you believe to be a reasonable reason to despise republicans. Most shallow of you. BTW, I'm a big-fat-Christian-conservative-republican. Happy now? But only if 200 lbs and six feet tall with a 105 cholesterol level qualifies as big-fat. Gasp! back at-cha. As the ever-so-lovely and graceful Rachel who works at the Tucson Chick fil A restaurant is known to say, "Have a nice day."

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ray

6:32 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Gasp again, “Phillip” ...
I have many, Many, MANY reasons to believe that republicans are crazy and the reasons have been piling up over the years ...
so Gasp right back at ya again...

Comment_arrow

Judi Wills

7:58 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

That is disappointing, Ray...
I’ve been following this thread for the last few days and Your comments have always been much more “cool” than this one...
Losing your touch?

John Sergent

7:47 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Indeed, remarriage after divorce is usually an opposite-sex matter. The point, though, is that in any sense in which issuing marriage licenses can be said to force people to recognize as marriages relationships they don't believe qualify, it already happens.

If you're the same Philip Beck, then I worked for you for two years at the Commerce McDonald's. But of course, so did a lot of other people, and it was a fairly long while back.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Philip Beck

10:46 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

John, I've never worked fast food but my brother did--I recall him managing Tasty Freeze stores though, one may have been in Commerce.

Rick Smith

8:01 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data, ability to repeat discredited memes, and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Also, be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor even implied. Any irrelevancies you can mention will also be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.

I got in on this discussion in the first days, but everyone is so way off topic now. I think the above statement about sums up what this discussion has devolved in to.

Reply

Rick Smith

8:04 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

In case anyone can't scroll to the top, the original purpose of the comment section is stated here -
"-- How do you feel about the gay workers at Chick-fil-A? Tell us in the comments below."

Reply
Comment_arrow

Philip Beck

10:46 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

OK. My feelings about "the gay workers” at Chick fil A are the same as for the "non-gay workers". I go to the restaurant chain because it consistently provides me with what I want to buy in the atmosphere where I want to buy it in. The employees are well-trained, courteous, efficient and generally pleasant people to interact with. The gay employees quoted in this story told accounts of their interactions with a miniscule percentage of what I would call atypical customers. Some of those customers are likely unpleasant, rude and/or insensitive wherever they choose to go, and this fabricated outrage scenario was apparently a convenient outlet for them to display their character flaws. I imagine nearly all of the employees handled similar situations with the grace, patience and dignity that Rachel at the Tucson store, when accosted by customer Adam Smith, demonstrated.

John Sergent

1:41 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012

@Philip Beck--OK. Different person, then. Thanks.

Reply

Leave a comment